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Do you think space aliens really exist?
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| macheteman |
 Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:56 pm |
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of course i’m assuming God exists, that was the context we were speaking in.
for me, being a christian. the "insanity" of Christianity makes it all the more wonderful. but that can’t be seen from a non-Christian point of view. |
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| Loosechange911 |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:02 pm |
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ok.
but the fact still remains that after 22 pages, you still have no proof on god’s existence and your very belief relies on something that I have shown to be irrelevant concerning truth. |
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| ingold55 |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:06 pm |
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the appendix actually has poisons within it, and thus when it ruptures, is very deadly.
so the appendix stores poisons to a certain extent.
true, true, true... LSG
however:
as for the other religions, as i have said, and am getting tired of saying it...
many of other religions have been re written, leading me to believe they are not true. the bible on the other hand hasn’t been changed over history.
I will prove my god, the day you prove your evolution to a fine point.
ok, where did those "mutation" i believe you called them evolve from? they have been here, though not as active in the enviroment.
Man was once able to talk with god in person. but after falling, man lost its complete inteligence of God. that is why we don’t have the complete inteligence of God. |
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| Loosechange911 |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:19 pm |
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why don’t you prove god now? oh wait, you can’t......
evolution has not been proved to be exact fact. it has however gained tremendous support through thousands of scientific experiments. it’s the most successful theory in all of history with regards to the origin of life.
the bible has, in fact, changed throughout history in order to attempt to survive scrutiny. the old testament stated that it was god’s words to have marriage be between one man and one OR MORE women. why? because that was custom to how society functioned back in the day. Society has now changed, and marriage, in "god’s eyes", is supposed to be between one man and ONE woman.
I am not an expert in biology. I’m not going to attempt to explain anything with regard to mutations. sorry, i wish i could be more helpful here.
I am not trying to claim that evolution is the complete and utter truth. You ARE trying to claim that god is the complete and utter truth. The burden of proof lies on you.
I’m still waiting. |
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| macheteman |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:32 pm |
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you will wait ’til you die.
there was a good book called Fahrenheit 451. It has absolutly nothing to do with God or creation or evolution. it was written by Ray Bradbury. the book is about how dangerous conformity and accepting what everyone tells you can be dangerous. In it, before the actual book begins, there is this quote: "When they give you lined paper, write the other way." just because most of the top scientists believe evolution does not mean it should be accepted. neither should creation. but based on my faith, through my examination of the orgin of the world, creation is true.
"most of the top scientists believe" should not be in our arguments. they could be lying just as much as you say the Bible is. |
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| ingold55 |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:40 pm |
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actually, the bible never says between man and 1 or more women. note in the garden of eden, God gave man one woman.
as far as evolution goes, it is not proven, and will never be proven.
Ok, The new testament is only 2,000 years old, and has been passed down from one generation to another, not changing in the slightest.
The new testament is the book of Christianinty
the old testament has the dead sea scrolls to back it up.
this is the book of the prophasies leading up to the new testament.
Don’t you find it interesting from your own words,
96% are athiest as far as scienctist goes
no wander evolution is gaining ground. (or appears to be)
um actually it is one of the most flaued.
do you believe everything evolved? every process in the world? |
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| Loosechange911 |
| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:48 am |
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it’s nice of you to make a claim that evolution will never be proven. would you like to prove that?
macheteman, that doesn’t mean it’s true, just that you believe it to be true.
96% of the TOP scientists don’t believe in a god. yes.
i do believe that life originated to what it is today through natural selection. i don’t claim for this to be the complete and utter truth, but i do believe it to be true based on the amazing accuracy in experiment for evolution. |
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| sickofpalantirs |
| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:37 am |
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| Thats interesting, ’cause in The Case For a Creator, he interviewed several top scietists with references by books to dozens of others. There is no such thing as an un-biased scientist. Plain and simple. |
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| Merrick_Hale |
| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:22 am |
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LC911 and LSG, there is a major difference between macro-evolution and micro-evolution. Yes things can change on a smaller level (micro-evolution) such as beak size and shape, coloring, length, width, height etc all of which can be categorized as change within a species. However, in all of recorded history we have not seen one type of animal (Whale for example) become another type of animal (horse). Now prove to me that it happens and has happened over time. If it has happened, there should be lots of evidence everywhere for us to see. Where are the intermediate species that prove that this is happening? If it is happening there there should be millions of examples, yet we cannot find solid evidence anywhere to PROVE that this is what happened. It looks like all those top scientists are taking a leap of faith when they find a few bone fragments and construct an entire animal off of them and then claim that it is an "ancestor".
I can’t claim that evolution will never be proven, but I can claim that it hasn’t been proved to my satisfaction (or even to the rigorous standards of the scientific method) as macro-evolution as the current theory stands cannot be repeatedly tested and verified.
Have either of you read the entire Bible? Have either of you read it with an unbiased mind and done the research to verify its veracity and integrity or lack thereof or do you rely on tired arguments of what other people have said and pointed out as contradictions or "proof" that the Bible has changed? Since you would like us to prove God, prove to me that the Bible has changed. Bring me evidence of the actual Greek and Hebrew manuscripts that were not part of a cult such as the Gnostics and that they have changed. Literary proof is somewhat less than scientific proof that you value so highly, so it should be easy for you to find and prove if it exists.
I don’t think much more productive conversation will come of this "debate". It has pretty much degenerated into a "prove there is a God, faith is irrational and illogical and therefore irrelevant" vs. "Faith is foundation, there is a God and it must be accepted on faith" back and forth. The same arguments are used nearly every time and thus a lot of words are flying back and forth without anything really being said.
I had hoped that there would be some more constructive debate or information exchange, but I now see that this is not possible. Therefore I feel it is in the best interests to lock this thread. PM if you feel otherwise and I will entertain your thoughts.
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