find it interesting that "killing" is different that "murder." Why? Because the government established by humans authorized one and gave it a name. If you truly believe that Jesus is the only true king, what use is there for you to follow the laws anyway?

As for if there were no greater purpose, why don’t we go around killing people, the answer is because I currently have no desire to die. If I kill people, kill me. If I don’t, they dont. This non-violent way, we both get what we want.

Here’s an interesting propsal- even if there is a god, what purpose is there in life? Of course, to get into heaven. But what point iss there to being in heaven? Even if you assume that every bit of Christianity is true, what IS the point?

I actually find more point to life without religion. The religious selfishly persue heaven through unselfish means, but when a non-religious person does something nice for others, you know it’s genuine- coming from the good of their soul, not trying to gain them divine standing.

Because God commands his people to follow the laws.

But which laws? If an evil dictator makes laws, do you have to follow them? Do you have the moral obligation to follow them? Do you have the moral obligation to NOT follow them? Laws are nebulous, and change by country and time period.

fortunatly, through God we know that we are better than the other organisms. and he has given us dominion over them. Ge 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

for our use, not our abuse. and he cares sbout humans more than any other part of creation. Mt 6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

I’m not sure I quite understand what you’re saying here... I would consider abuse of other organisms to be needlessly killing them. Not quite sure what you’re trying to say.




you assume our purpose in life is to get to heaven. that isn’t true. Prove your premise and maybe you’ll get somewhere in your argument. Man was created to glorify God. THAT is our purpose. yes, heaven is where we will be able to fulfill what we were created for, for eternity. and when we are doing what we are created for, we will have perfect joy and pleasure. in the presence of our Lord.

If glorifying god is your purpose in life and getting to heaven lets you glorify god, then isn’t your purpose in life in effect to get to heaven?



all humans are selfish. a "non-religious" person when they do something nice for others, is trying to fill the void iside them. God made it so that "it feels better to give than recieve". because he wants us to be loving of others. but since we are sinful, we cannot be perfect in this life, and all humans will be selfish.

I must admit, sometimes I do nice things for others because they make me feel good, but sometimes, I just do them because it makes them happy, even people I don’t know and will never know again. For example, I sang a concert for some people in a local nursing home because one of my friends’ grandfather used to live there and he always said there was nothing to do over the holidays. So, I got them another activity. I sure didn’t have that much fun at it, and I didn’t feel any voids being filled. It was just the right thing to do. My point isn’t that people can live completely unselfishly, just that unselfish acts are 100% always sincere by non-religious people.

But which laws? If an evil dictator makes laws, do you have to follow them? Do you have the moral obligation to follow them? Do you have the moral obligation to NOT follow them? Laws are nebulous, and change by country and time period.

I’m not sure I quite understand what you’re saying here... I would consider abuse of other organisms to be needlessly killing them. Not quite sure what you’re trying to say.

If glorifying god is your purpose in life and getting to heaven lets you glorify god, then isn’t your purpose in life in effect to get to heaven?

I must admit, sometimes I do nice things for others because they make me feel good, but sometimes, I just do them because it makes them happy, even people I don’t know and will never know again. For example, I sang a concert for some people in a local nursing home because one of my friends’ grandfather used to live there and he always said there was nothing to do over the holidays. So, I got them another activity. I sure didn’t have that much fun at it, and I didn’t feel any voids being filled. It was just the right thing to do. My point isn’t that people can live completely unselfishly, just that unselfish acts are 100% always sincere by non-religious people.

It was just the right thing to do.

I must admit, sometimes I do nice things for others because they make me feel good

unselfish acts are 100% always sincere by non-religious people.

By sincere, I mean I really hope they enjoy them. I do the acts for the sake of people smiling, and whether that makes me feel good or not, I’m not doing iit to gain influence with any celestial, social, or religious stance.

What about thou shalt not kill? The most basic law here is flaunted in wars, when even the religious kill because the human-established government said to.

The point about misuse of power is we are ruining the earth. If we ruin the earth, we make it tougher for there to be more people, which could a) be thought of as murder, but also could be thought of as preventing more people who could glorify god. In either case, this is clearly against religion. Yet, most religious people belong to the majot political party that pays least attention to environmental issues.