Stars: due to the speed of light, if the universe was created less then 10000 years ago like he suggests/believes, it would be impossible for us to see as many stars in the sky as we do.

Why? the stars could be closer than what they appear, and let us just go on the idea that God did put them there (which i agree with). He could have made the light shine faster at the beginning of time, and slowed it down.

Now it is stated that space is infinite. So if you repeat that precentage over and over again an infinite ammount of times, it is bound to happen multiple times (infinite, actually). So right there, I just proved the strong possibilty of life on other planets......

He said Earth was 10000 yrs old. Unless he believes everything was set into place by God at that time. If this is true then the first page of the Bible would makes sence only if days back then were much longer. It says that seed bearing plants were formed before the lights in the night sky were in place. Today it takes starlight from the closest star 4.2 years to reach Earth.

Like I said before, I believe the universe is finite. (limited)
here is a second example: (not as strong of an example)

Whether you know it or not, you were talking about an old theory called Olber’s Paradox. It explains why we do not see more light in the sky at night than we do now. If you stand deep in a forest and look in any direction, eventually your view out will be blocked by a tree. If this forest flat and of infinite size, no matter where you looked there would be a tree blocking your view, no matter how thin the forest is or how skinny the trees.

The same thing could happen in space with starlight. Unless the light is blocked by intersellar dust along the way somewhere in space, this supports two theories:
1) the universe is finite (limited)
and/or
2) the universe was recently created (by God or by big bang)

I get that, what I don’t get is the connection between having electricity and age.

anyways, aren’t we only theorizing about what’s in the core, anyway? If were here doubting all theories, I’m going to have to doubt that one, too.

God didn’t confuse us, man confused man. he took radia / carbon dating, and tried to match things up. after the fall, fossils started appearing, then the flood happened. the water residue and blasts of water, could have aged the look of bones considerably. (if that is what happened. we don’t know)

Your right, we don’t know exactly, but all this talk about a supreme being and floods and "the fall"... or my theory of time. Which is far fetched?

Look at the flood. it destroyed and changed many land formations. changed plates in the earth, changed the looks of mountains...the list goes on.
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I have never seen conclusive evidence of this thing u refer to as the flood. The only thing any where near it is an ice age that occurred in North America when the ice caps melted and created many great lakes and rivers, etc.

OK Almost Every single people group on earth has some sort of legend about a great flood. Are you saying they all were wrong and that every single one of those were a legend?
It would explain many geological phenomena like the grand canyon etc.
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It has been fun. but i am sorry you haven’t proven life on other planet to me.

I don’t really care if I didn’t convince you, I’m just trying to shed some light and get you thinking. But I’m not out to make a difference... I don’t want to make a difference... and I’m not going to waste much time talking to you about it if you refuse to understand the validity of mathematics... come to think of it, you were the one that said this:
have you ever read a creationist based book or movie? i have read some things about evolution. DO you have any insight in this aside form your friend?



.... so yeah.....

Why? the stars could be closer than what they appear, and let us just go on the idea that God did put them there (which i agree with). He could have made the light shine faster at the beginning of time, and slowed it down.

NO! Shut up! Thats the exact kind of ignorant talk I’m talking about. The simpsons said it best "we had an exam today about creationalism and all of the answers were ’God did it’". The stars are measured mathematically. Are you denying the laws of math? They are the only thing that can not be defuted. 2+2= 4... are you saying that that is doubtable? It’s not and never will be. Why would God speed up the speed of light just for stars? Thats redic

we only say 2+2=4 because that is what we have been told. we could make it where 3+2=4....off subject. so are you saying that man took a measuring tape to each star and measured? also, "we are slowly moving closer to the sun." (evolutionist statement) well how do you know we aren’t drifting farther from the stars, or the stars from us?


I am saying that carbon dating is not just a bit off, but rather alot off. most of the scientist that run carbon dating (if i am correct) are athiest. (kind of biast if you ask me) Carbon dating is just like radio dating. it uses numbers plugged into the computor to estimate not give solid fact date.

I never claimed it should be used for a solid date, but as a refrence and a closes "estimate".


God didn’t confuse us, man confused man. he took radia / carbon dating, and tried to match things up. after the fall, fossils started appearing, then the flood happened. the water residue and blasts of water, could have aged the look of bones considerably. (if that is what happened. we don’t know)

Your right, we don’t know exactly, but all this talk about a supreme being and floods and "the fall"... or my theory of time. Which is far fetched?

ok, since you don’t want to go on the fall, and a divin God. The flood has been in every history. chinese, muslim, european... with all those going for it, i would say it happened.

Look at the flood. it destroyed and changed many land formations. changed plates in the earth, changed the looks of mountains...the list goes on.
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I have never seen conclusive evidence of this thing u refer to as the flood. The only thing any where near it is an ice age that occured in North America when the ice caps melted and created many great lakes and rivers, etc.


see what was said above.

It has been proven life cannot come about by and explosion. it is more possible for a tornado to go through a junkyard and a city like San diago. than have an explosion make something so intricate as life. (i have shot fire crackers, they don’t make life!) to have planet with the correct atmosphere, correct heat, correct rotation, correct gravity... is impossible.

It’s obviously not impossible. I never said (or I never meant for it to be intererpted in that way) that life came because of the big bang, just that conditions were made to accomodate said life. But regardless, it’s not impossible, there is a small percentage, when spread out throughout an inifnite ammount of space and having an infinite ammount of possible times for it to occur, you are bound to get a few of those situations ( by few i mean an unknown number greater then 1). I don’t understand what you are missing because even my hardcore creationalist philosopher agreed with me on this, and he rarely ever settles.


limited people cannot know if the universe is unlimited. how do we know have we sent people to the utmost edges of space? (the answere is no) it has got to have an end, and a beginnig.


It has been fun. but i am sorry you haven’t proven life on other planet to me.

I don’t really care if I didn’t convince you, I’m just trying to shed some light and get you thinking. But I’m not out to make a difference... I don’t want to make a difference... and I’m not going to waste much time talking to you about it if you refuse to understand the validity of mathematics... come to think of it, you were the one that said this:



.... so yeah.....

I think the Bible says something before the 4th day like "He called the light day and the dark night." I did say "night sky". I’m sure the sun was there as the plants lived.


I didn’t mean longer days literally. What about the time when there was no sun? Was that first "day" 40 billion years long?

Is that right? I admit i haven’t made any research on that, but i have "heard" that scientists agree that there was some sort of cataclysm...