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| NBarden |
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| gil-estel |
| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:03 am |
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"We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man’s own labor, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence.
Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily.
Or do you mean the modern bourgeois private property?
But does wage labor create any property for the laborer? Not a bit. It creates capital, i.e., that kind of property which exploits wage labor, and which cannot increase except upon conditions of begetting a new supply of wage labor for fresh exploitation. Property, in its present form, is based on the antagonism of capital and wage labor. Let us examine both sides of this antagonism.
To be a capitalist, is to have not only a purely personal, but a social STATUS in production. Capital is a collective product, and only by the united action of many members, nay, in the last resort, only by the united action of all members of society, can it be set in motion.
Capital is therefore not only personal; it is a social power."
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html#Proletarian
You have to place communism in a historical context. It has grown in a period of time where the working class were slaves, or less. New money, called the bourgeois, were only focussed on getting richer and richer, over the backs of poor workers. Communism isn’t about stealing from people who worked hard for it, it is giving back what isn’t rightfully yours! |
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| NBarden |
| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:11 am |
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| gil-estel |
| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:15 am |
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| it depends...where you want to look at. Do you want to see communism in the basis, or at what certain people made of it. There are only a few people responsible for the mis-use of communism. Lenin, Stalin, Mao...the rest just followed their steps. |
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| NBarden |
| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:19 am |
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| gil-estel |
| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:59 am |
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| Celebrimbor |
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Communism works on the basis of trying to make every single person the same. WELL THAT’S NOT POSSIBLE!
God has made each one of us uniquely different and gifted in a dynamic way. So technicall Communism takes all of that away.
Communism wouldn’t work because there will always be a big fat pic on the throne eating his heart out while everyone else suffers. |
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