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| Felipe Musco |
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Yes, the fetus is alive. But, however, CG’s point that "it wants to be born" is not valid, since it still doesn’t have a will to WANT anything. And my point about putting lives at the same level is to actually endorse my view of abortion, I’m no member of PETA or Greenpeace (my sis is a Biologist, though, and she made is host her party without using plastic glasses... does that count?  ), I eat meat (and LOVE it, you guys HAVE to try my typical ribs grill one day), and I think it IS ok to kill animals as long as it’s for a good reason (or a VERY good reason if they’re an endangered species).
However, I have learned some valuable info that gives me further insight into the discussion, for instance, I didn’t know abortion was legal in the US, I thought only a few States allowed it. 
And of course CG is right about his point, it’s not the medieval era again, that’s why I enforced as much as possible that pregnancy is not risky per say, but ANYTHING that gets you inside an OR DOES pose a life threat. My main point about this part was that you take the risk that you CHOOSE to.
And I bow to EL for his argument about the building on fire, as well. Geniously put.
But then again, if the same building held you dying grandmother and a child, and you had NO time to think about it and no one you could talk to, chances are you’d still save your grandma, wouldn’t ya?  |
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| bunnydaman |
| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:44 pm |
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depends on how old the child and grandma was  |
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| elf lvr |
| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:01 pm |
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Felipe Musco wrote:
But then again, if the same building held you dying grandmother and a child, and you had NO time to think about it and no one you could talk to, chances are you’d still save your grandma, wouldn’t ya?
My answer to that type of question is this:
I’d die trying to save them both.
Which isn’t realy a valid answer to a rhetorical question like that, but anyway...
I read it in a book somewhere. I thought it was a fairly nice response...  |
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| Felipe Musco |
| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:10 pm |
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Lawyer response, you mean!
Ok, rephrase. After saving one, the building collapses, so there’s no way you can gat back in there. Sure, you CAN search the wreckage after, but we all know you won’t find much... |
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| elf lvr |
| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:40 pm |
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To be honest, I really couldn’t be sure which one I’d go after. If I really didn’t have time to think, my body might just... move. One way or the other, who know’s how I’d react?
Again, insufficient response to a rhetorical question, but... in truth, I really don’t know which one I’d try to save. |
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| NBarden |
| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:31 pm |
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Felipe Musco wrote: I didn’t know abortion was legal in the US, I thought only a few States allowed it.
The legality is debatable since the "law" is really a declaration of the Supreme Court which has NO authority to order such a thing, however, they did it anyway and the rest of government let them, thus making it the "law" while not being a law. Under the Tenth Ammendment to the constitution, the ruling was unconstitutional, but surprise, surprise, the only entity which can declare the ruling unconstitutional is the Supreme Court itself.  
Such is the twisted world of American politics. |
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| Felipe Musco |
| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:15 am |
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| Kinda like the STF ’round here, not much better. Actually, worse, since we have 11 Supreme Ministers on it, but they’re all appointed by the President himself (and stay there until they die or turn 70 and have to retire), with NO OTHER criteria. So, although it has never happened, the President COULD basically nominate their High-school teacher to the position... Weird, huh? That’s the only Law institution that has no requirements, but it’s the top one. Certain things only happen in Brazil, fella. |
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| sickofpalantirs |
| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:48 pm |
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| Merrick_Hale |
| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:48 pm |
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Hooray for the slippery slope of moral relativism!  |
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| Felipe Musco |
| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:30 pm |
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| But you miss out on the fact that a fetus CAN be biologically compared to a parasite, and a newborn or old person can’t (biologically, mind you... no examples needed). It can’t lead to it, ’cause it’s not the same thing. |
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