WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

You can’t use science to prove or disprove the existence of God

No, but you can use science to PROVE that you can’t disprove God scientifically.

All you can do is prove from an inductive standpoint that it is PROBABLE that God exists, which I’ll get around to later.

IMO the real problem science has with religion is that they have different agendas. Science aims to further our knowledge through the scientific method, revising and discarding theories as necessary.

Religion aims to maintain the status quo, sticking to one explanation despite all evidence to the contrary.

IMO the real problem science has with religion is that they have different agendas.

NBarden, I don’t know how far I can "debate" this with you when it seems like you’re not even reading my posts (because if you did, you would know whether those pictures were an attack or not). I have been making a few and VERY SPECIFIC points:



Unless you want to change your statements, looks like we agree on this. First point settled. Moving on.


I can give you plenty of examples of science revising and discarding theories. I have already brought up the old theory that the Sun (and other planets) orbited the Earth. That theory was revised to have the planets orbiting the Sun in perfect circles. Then that was further revised to have the planets orbiting the Sun in ellipses. Revision.

Or remember the mysterious aether scientists postulated was the medium through which light propagated? Maybe not, because it didn’t fit our measurements and so that theory was ultimately discarded.

Or how about dark matter, whose presence we infer but can’t observe directly? We postulate its existence to account for the behavior we CAN see. When we learn more about it you can bet we’ll be revising that, too.

Have I shown you that science revises and discards theories?

The Creationist’s problem isn’t with science (well, shouldn’t be.) Science is great.Unfortunately, due to a bunch of short-sighted religious thinkers preaching the "power of positive thinking" church, religion has been divorced from science in the minds of the people. Hence the title of this thread.
Not that it hasn’t happened before. Like I said, there have been lots of times where those in power in the church tried to dismiss science, not for the sake of religion, but because it would take away their personal power. Think The Church vs. Galileo.


You believe in creationism now, yes? Radiometric dating--not to be trusted. Millions of dinosaur fossils--manufactured by people and carefully placed all over the world to deceive the public. In fact, all contrary evidence (or observations, if you’d like) is either outright faulty, or some form of intentional trickery. You will always believe in creationism. Right? If the answer is yes, that comes back to...

Idiotic argument. I mean the creationist one.
Better responses (at least, I hope better):
Radiometric dating: accurate, IF AND ONLY IF we know the amount of carbon in the atmosphere at the time. Which we don’t that far back. From either POV, the environment would have been radically different, and that would likely include atmospheric differences.
Fossil record: First off, the geological column that you see in all the textbooks is a theoretical construct. Nowhere in the world has that a significant portion of the column been found in one place. Further, there have been locations in which the strata are "out of the correct order." Also, the Deluge Theory (AKA Noah’s Flood) easily explains what bits of the geological column we do have.
Pangea and Continental Drift: Interestingly, the Bible makes mention of a supercontinent and continental drift a heck of a long time before anyone else in Gen 10:25 (or, that seems to be a reasonable interpretation of a semi-vague reference, anyway.)


Is that "main point" enough for you, or were you referring to some other point I was supposed to have made?
Science and religion don’t have conflicting agendas; both are aimed at determining Truth on some level or another. Mainstream scientists and mainstream religious leaders have different agendas.

P.S. Hope someone enjoyed the pics.
Pics? Where?

Celebrembor, are you a Christian?