Can't wait till the discussions begin for Errata of X-listed cards....

[jonobgood]

No more X-list, no more expanded list, a somewhat balance between all cultures.  We have the opportuntity to 'revive' some of the older cultures making them playable again.  Alot of thought should go into that fact alone.  We need to consider all formats though.

For example.  An argument could be made that Savagery to Match Their Numbers could just come off the X-list UNCHANGED and make a difference for the Isengard culture in this new Standard format era, however, Movie Block play would be adversely affected by this.  Which now brings up another point, Movie Block should be one of the top priorities too as a significant number of people just play that format.  Do we modify cards in the Fellowship and Tower sets NOT ON ANY X / EXPANDED LIST for balance in a standard format?  Do we even need to?  Or do we leave those alone and just concentrate on the X / expanded listed ones preserving Movie Block?

Does it perhaps even make sense to have a seperate Movie Block errata and Standard Block errata?  I doubt it but it's an idea. 

Perhaps I am confused and don't fully understand what's going on with this process.  Regradless, i'm  looking forward to this.

[Tbiesty]

Thanks for your input and willingness to participate.  We'll start planning the process of doing this in the coming weeks.  For now, if any players are interested in participating in this endeavor (which in all will be a several month process; discussions, playtesting, etc.), feel free to "sign up" here.  I'll maintain the list of players here, just let me know.

Sign up list:
Tbiesty
jonobgood
Thranduil
Kenddrick
Smeagollum
itjunkie
hrcho


Cards involved in this process:

Limit 1 per deck (for various formats):
[My recommendation: "Limit 1 per deck for any format"]

(1 R 40)   ELROND, LORD OF RIVENDELL
(1 R 80)   OTTAR, MAN OF LAKETOWN
(1 U 108)   NO STRANGER TO THE SHADOWS
(1 R 139)   SAVAGERY TO MATCH THEIR NUMBERS
(1 R 195)   RELICS OF MORIA
(1 C 248)   FORCES OF MORDOR
(2 R 32)   FLAMING BRAND
(2 R 75)   BILL FERNY, SWARTHY SNEERING FELLOW
(0 P 2)
and
(3 U 106)   BILL THE PONY
(4 U 276)   FORTRESS NEVER FALLEN
(4 R 304)   GET ON AND GET AWAY


X-listed (for various formats):
[My recommendation: "Errata"]

(1 R 45)   GALADRIEL, LADY OF LIGHT
(1 C 138)   SARUMAN'S SNOWS
(1 U 234)   ULAIRE NERTEA, MESSENGER OF DOL GULDUR
(1 C 311)   SAM, SON OF HAMFAST
(1 R 313)   STING
(1 U 316)   A TALENT FOR NOT BEING SEEN
(2 P 121)   GIMLI, DWARF OF THE MOUNTAIN RACE
(3 R 17)   GALADRIEL, LADY OF THE GOLDEN WOOD   
(3 R 38)   ARAGORN, HEIR TO THE WHITE CITY
(0 P 5 )
and
(3 R 42)   HORN OF BOROMIR
(3 R 67)   THE PALANTIR OF ORTHANC
(3 R 68)   SARUMAN, KEEPER OF ISENGARD
(3 C 108)   FRYING PAN
(3 R 113)   THE SHIRE COUNTRYSIDE
(4 R 73)   LEGOLAS, DAUNTLESS HUNTER
(7 U 49)    STEADFAST CHAMPION
(8 C 1)    AGGRESSION
(10 U 2)   MEMORIES OF DARKNESS   
(10 R 11)   GALADRIEL, LADY REDEEMED
(10 C 91)    MORDOR FIEND
(11 C 31)    FINAL ACCOUNT
(11 R 100)   STRANGE-LOOKING MEN
(11 U 114)    DEMORALIZED
(11 C 132)    ORKISH SMITH
(13 U 188)    COURTYARD PARAPET
(15 R 64)    MADRIL, DEFENDER OF OSGILIATH


What other "overpowered" things should be addressed??
[My recommendation: "Errata" or "Limit 1 per deck for any format", whichever makes more sense]

ERKENBRAND'S HORN + NEW CHAPTER
NAMARIE
"Loaded" meaning of Hunter keyword
FRENZY OF ARROWS
CIRDAN, THE SHIPWRIGHT
THE FAITHFUL STONE
GIL-GALAD, HIGH KING OF THE NOLDOR

[Thranduil]

Thanks for your input and willingness to participate.  We'll start planning the process of doing this in the coming weeks.  For now, if any players are interested in participating in this endeavor (which in all will be a several month process; discussions, playtesting, etc.), feel free to "sign up" here.  I'll maintain the list of players here, just let me know.

Sign up list:
Tbiesty
jonobgood

Count me in!

Thranduil

[Kenddrick]

Kenddrick is in! (even though I'm not that good with the cards/rules)

[Smeagollum]

I sign up, but at this moment totaly into lotro. So when I am there then i am there.

Cheers, jww

[itjunkie]

Why not...you can count me in too!:)

[hrcho]

Reporting for duty!

[Tbiesty]

Along with keeping of list of players that will participate, I've identified many of the cards that will be addressed.  I need your help identifying other "overpowered" cards that are a problem.

Thanks guys!

[MR. Lurtzy]

I would like to see the list first.

[Tbiesty]

The list so far is shown above...

[legolas3333]

Frenzy of arrows needs to be added to the list

[hrcho]

Not many people will agree with me on this, but I think Cirdan, The Shipwright, Saruman's Power, Sleep, Caradhras, Grown Suddenly Tall and Deep In Thought are way overpowered. I believe it should something more along the lines of: Discard 2 conditions (or if you spot 5 conditions make the shadow player discard 4). I'm sure this will not come to pass, because it's too much errata, but Cirdan should really be fixed. Just putting a limit on his ability would be enough.

[Tbiesty]

Legolas3333, would you be willing to help out in this?

Does anyone else agree with adding Saruman's Power, Sleep, Caradhras, Grown Suddenly Tall and Deep In Thought to the list? I really don't think they should be, but I'll add them for consideration if others agree.

[Thranduil]

They do make it very easy to destroy condition based strategies, but actually I think the ones are perfectly fine—high costs and requirements for big effect. Saruman's Power, however, you can make more of an argument for being too good. So I would consider that one, but not the others.

Thranduil

[hrcho]

I don't think that cost is high enough. 5 twilight for the destruction of all conditions? There are cards with much higher cost and much weaker effect. Against certain decks, 1 Grown Suddenly Tall is enough for complete victory. I just don't like the fact that 1 card can destroy a deck. Honestly, I don't see how Fortress Never Fallen can be on the list and these cards not.

I agree that Gandalf is more of a support character and should be able to do a bit of everything, but discarding all conditions is too much.